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RN: Was the Fiji Labour Party
ready for an election when the Prime Minister announced
that it would be held in May? Do you think the PM called
the elections early because the indications were the
economy was going to get worse?
MC: To answer your first question we have been
campaigning all along. We knew that elections were due
in 2006 and it would be called anytime although it was
expected to be by August. So we were ready but the Elections
Office was definitely not ready and the Electoral Commission
I think was ill advised because we were met with a lot
of difficulties in obtaining the necessary records and
documents from the Electoral Office on time. There were
innumerable errors in the compilation of electoral rolls.
Then they botched up the publication of preferences
and also party symbols and spelling errors in the ballot
papers. It showed that the Elections Office was completely
unprepared and inefficient and incompetent. This is
my sixth General Election and I've never seen the Elections
Office so disorganised. When we get into Govt we have
to do something about it.
RN: And do you think the elections were called
early because of indications that the economy wasn't
doing too well?
MC:Oh! Yes, indeed because if the SDL had called
elections by June this year they would have been forced
to devalue the currency. Indeed we are in a very serious
state as far as the economy is concerned. So one of
the reasons was that before the collapse actually took
place, they wanted to have an election.
RN: Mr Chaudhry should the FLP form the next Govt can
you categorically state that VAT (Value Added Tax) will
not be increased in your time in office?
MC: We will not increase the Value Added Tax.
I think 12.5% is already at a high level taking into
account the per capita income of our people here so
we will leave it at that. But we will certainly concentrate
on better tax compliance to get people who are currently
perhaps not in the tax net to bring them into the tax
and then make sure that those who have to pay tax do
pay tax and not avoid tax.
RN: What about increasing taxes to meet your
campaign promises?
MC: Well, I think we can meet our campaign promises
through prudent management of government finances, feeding
our corruption mismanagement abuse. These factors cost
tens of millions of dollars to the taxpayer each year.
If we are able to eliminate these we are in a position
to deliver on our promises. We will also look at as
I said better tax compliance. So we definitely are not
in for increasing taxes.
RN: Moving to the issue of land. This has been
a monkey on the backs of previous governments and political
parties. Do you think this is an issue that can be resolved
and what would it take to be resolved?
MC: Our concentration will be on using the land
for productive purposes. I think that is where we need
to concentrate and we will do that. It will also result
in developing resources of the indigenous people. And
through that they will be able to farm themselves and
lease surplus land to others who may want to farm. It
will lift the rural economy. It will boost our agricultural
production. There is a lot of work to be done in the
agricultural sector and this is part of our programme
to concentrate and focus on land development and assisting
the landowners to develop their rich resources so they
can also contribute to the economy and put money in
their pockets.
RN: In hindsight, Mr Chaudhry do you think the
land issue could have been resolved in the last five
years of the Government and you in Opposition.
MC: Well the SDL government did not have the
will to resolve it because they insisted on their own
solution. They were not prepared to negotiate. They
just wanted to propose NLTA (Native Landlord and Trust
Act) on the farmers and tenants and of course this was
not acceptable to the farming community. So there was
no will to negotiate in good faith and this why this
issue is still unresolved. But as I said it really doesn't
matter under which legislation land is leased out. You've
got to convince and persuade the farmers that the legislation
will also protect their interest. And in the present
time the farming community feels very safe with ALTA.
RN: The NLTB or Land Use Commission which is
the answer to the land problems?
MC: The NLTB is the trustee of the land which
belongs to native landowners and any organisation or
government will have to deal with them in terms of land
use as well. But we are looking at also active participation
of the resource owners, the landowners themselves. They
are real owners. The NLTB is merely a trustee for them.
But so far in our view the landowners themselves have
not been closely involved in the decision making processes
in the NLTB.
RN: A question for you personally, how long do
you plan to stay in politics?
MC: Well I would have retired from politics in
2004 if they had let us run for five years in 1999.The
next election would have been in 2004 and I'd planned
that I'd hang my boots then because I'd have brought
the country to a point, it had already taken off and
it just needed someone to glide it along. But we were
not given this opportunity and look at the mess that
the SDL have made in the five years. We need to rescue
this nation from the mess that it is currently in, and
this is why I am still in politics. I don't thing that
the SDL or any other party for that matter have the
competence, the know how and the expertise to deal with
the very serious situation Fiji is in right now. This
is why the Labour Party is fighting this election and
taking it very seriously because this election is very
crucial to Fiji's future.
RN: So we don't expect to see you hanging your
boots any time soon? At least in the term of the next
government.
MC: That's right, because I'm contesting the
elections I intend to stay in politics. For this particular
period, five years, and then retire.
RN: What about the PM's term in office. Do you think
it should be limited to say 2 terms as in the case of
the US presidency?
MC: I think that a lot of things
need to be looked at quite aside from limiting the terms
of prime minister. I thing it is a good idea and a good
concept to have prime minister for two terms. I also
feel that five year terms are too long and it should
be for four years. Three years is just too short, four
years will be just about right for a government. And
I think there are other issues with regards too governance
which need to be looked at, too see how we work smarter
and better.
RC: Mr Chaudhry, you are on
record as saying should the Labour party win, and if
the caucus picks you to be the prime minister, you will
take up the position. Given the discussions on the ethnicity
of a PM and security, are you prepared to sacrifice
that post and let someone else take over, say Mr (Poseci)
Bune or Mr (Krishna) Datt or someone else in the party?
MC: I think it is not the person;
it is the party they are targeting. I merely am there
as its leader, focus is on me. In 1987 Dr (Timoci) Bavadra
was Prime Minister, he was an ethnic Fijian and he was
deposed only after a month. So this all done by people
with vested interests, people who want to cling to power
at any cost. And we can't surrender this country and
our people to these reactionary forces. We have to fight
them and we have to subdue them.
RN: Mr Chaudhry, what is the
future of the Fiji Labour Party? Has the party identified
future leaders within its young members or the current
members?
MC: Yes, we have a lot of new
people in this time who are contesting seats. Some very
capable and competent Fijian candidates we have and
certainly we have to bring in new blood and you would
see that we have brought in a lot of people who are
contesting elections for the first time. The party's
future looks great and certainly we will not have a
leadership crisis.
RN: The SDL had 23 ministers
and assistant ministers. Should the FLP form the next
Govt , will your cabinet size remain the same or you
will do something different, reducing it given that
you will have to entertain other parties who get 10
percent of the vote or more?
MC: Well, ours will be a very
focused approach. There are a lot of things that we
want to do and I want my ministers not to be over burdened.
We have to fix the health system here and education
infrastructure, these matters need urgent attention.
In terms of the number of ministers that will be in
cabinet, there is no constitutional bar, there is no
cap. But I think around 20 ministers will be about right.
RN: Looking at the future- the
next elections, do you think that it should be decided
fairly on open seats?
MC: Well I think we should get
back to the Reeves' recommendations on the electoral
system. Reeves recommended that we have 45 open seats
and only 25 communal seats with communal seats disappearing
altogether after two general elections. I think that
we need to revisit that. It is very unfortunate that
the people who were in charge at that time, Mr (Sitiveni)
Rabuka and Mr (Jai Ram) Reddy opted to reverse the number
of seats that Reeves had recommended. And this we have
now 46 communal seats and only 24 Open seats. We will
need to certainly look at that because it will be very
difficult to move away from communal politics.
RN: And the voting age, do you
think that it should be reduced?
MC: Oh Yes! It certainly it
should come down to 18. Mind you all parties had recommended
to the Reeves Commission, but when actual negotiations
took place, they changed their minds and we have 21
as the voting age now. We tried to amend that provision.
A bill was being debated in the House but it was defeated.
We will certainly be happy to see the voting age reduced
to 18 as was recommended in the Reeves report.
RN: Mr Chaudhry another question
with regards to what is very close to the heart of a
lot of people, which is the unemployment situation as
a result of the lack of investment in the country. What
are your plans to fix up the economy?
MC: Well we have got it all
in our manifesto. We have to first of all convince the
investor community that Fiji is a stable place to invest
that we practice good governance and we have respect
to the rule of law, we have an efficient legal system
and also to restore necessary incentives to bring them
in and restore investor confidence. So that will be
of course the main areas which we will concentrate.
Apart from that, we will also focus on rural development
in the agricultural sector, because that's where I think
that thousands of jobs can be create once we begin investing
and developing in the rural sector. We have got to identify
the strengths that we have and concentrate on those.
We also have to curb youth unemployment. We are proposing
a national service scheme that will take them out of
the streets and bring them into an arrangement whereby
they will be able to do community service and earn a
bit of pocket money at the same time and receive training
to prepare them for fulltime employment. This sort of
scheme is at Singapore and it has worked very effective
for them. It also incorporates discipline in the youth
at a critical age so they follow the right path rather
then being led into activities that puts them into trouble.
I think we need to innovate new ways and means of creating
employment. Most important thing is to give these youths
something to do. As they say an idle mind is the devil's
workshop. So if they have something to do you enhance
their self esteem and that is very important because
there is nothing demoralising then the feeling that
you are worthless, so you can't find a job and you are
a burden on your parents etc... So we certainly will
be concentrating on those. So with good management of
the economy, with prudent management of government finances,
we will be able to turn the economy around and create
jobs and hopefully solve all the social problems that
we see today as a result of unemployment.
RN: In terms of health and education,
what will the Labour Party do differently?
MC: Well, as I said there are
two sectors to health. One is of course preventative
and primary healthcare which means that people have
to be educated that they must appreciate a healthy lifestyle
eat the right sort of foods, have adequate exercise
and keep away from getting lifestyle diseases. That
we will focus very heavily because I don't think that
it is receiving the necessary concentration in the community.
We will also try to provide annual checks for all our
citizens so that diseases can be detected early and
treated. At the moment we find many of these diseases
are at an advanced state by the time it is diagnosed
it is too late to do anything. The second thing will
be the hospital care, the hospital services and curative
health care. Here we seen the mess that the SDL has
made with our hospitals and health centres. We will
need to bring in the private sector, private health
care providers, to do the job professionally. That will
be our approach. It will be a public/private partnership
arrangement whereby this task of providing first class
hospital services will be entrusted to the private sector.
RN: On the issue of the numbers
migrating, do you think that Australia and New Zealand
and other countries that Fiji nationals have settled
in are giving back enough aid to the country considering
they have benefit enormously from trade and migration?
MC: Yes, of course. We live
in a globalised world so we can't stop people from leaving.
I don't think they would be leaving us in that many
numbers if things were right here if our economy itself
were functioning if there were opportunity here. A lot
of people leave Fiji with a great deal of regret but
they are forced into taking that kind of decision. As
to the aid and assistance that Fiji is receiving from
Australia and New Zealand, I think there is a lot of
room for enhancing that aid and assistance and putting
that in the right areas that we need assistance to come
to. We should be deciding the type of aid that we need.
When we get into government there are matters where
serious negotiations will take place between these two
nations because there is a huge trade between Fiji and
Australia and New Zealand and I think in many respects
they owe a lot more to Fiji both in terms to this trade
imbalance that I have talked about and also in terms
of them draining our skills out of here. But as I said
that we live in a globalised world and we need to accept
that. And also in terms of ensuring that there is social
stability in this country so that we don't have problems
like what happened in the Solomons and what happened
in Fiji, the two coups.
RN: With regards to the Civil
Service, do you think that in its present form it is
delivering the goods to the people?
MC: Well I think there is a
lot of improvement needed in the civil service. It is
costing a fortune and it is lacking in delivery. We
have to work much more efficiently, much more productively.
We have to bring back work discipline, work ethics which
are important in the providing of an efficient public
service. The country relies on the public service to
deliver and of course deliver smartly and efficiently.
And that will be our focus. I think there is a lot of
room of improvement there, not only in the public service
but also in the private sector; you know the word culture
is dead. Virtually dead in both these areas I suppose
in many cases because of bad management. The other big
problem there is the scale of corruption. We have got
to completely weed that out. Unless you get rid of corruption
from this country nothing much can be sustain. We propose
to bring in very tough legislation for corrupt practises.
Very tough legislation indeed with mandatory prison
sentences.
RN: Would you open up monopolies
to competition
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MC: Absolutely! Absolutely.
We don't believe in monopolies. They are against public
interest. We have got to dismantle monopolies and open
them up for competition and give the consumers a choice.
We will be doing that not only for utilities but also
the media area, the television for instance. People
here have no choice at the moment. There are TV companies
who are ready to come in and invest in Fiji. Why are
we stopping them? So defiantly we will move to a free
enterprise and free competition environment.
RN: Finally Mr Chaudhry the
Labour Party had the opportunity to spend a year in
office. Looking back and if your party comes back and
forms the new government, is there anything that you
will do differently from that one year in office?
MC: Well one year is too short
a period to really achieve much. Particularly when you
inherit a mess that we are inheriting this time. But
I think that we did remarkably well in turning the country
around and some people said in some matters we went
too fast. I think that is debatable. The point is we
have an election manifesto in which we tell the people
of Fiji and on that note we get their votes that we
will do A, B, C, D, E, F. and we can't just sit back
in a relaxed mode and go slow and take a slow pace.
Because you need to move this country along as quickly
as you possibly can to deal with and alleviate the problems
that the people face on a day to day basis. So these
are all excuses. The point is what we were doing. Was
it wrong or was it right? We are not threatening the
rights or ownership of resources of any country. We
are simply trying to get those resources put to productive
use so that the owners of those resources could benefit
from that, which hasn't been happening in Fiji though
for so many years. Some people distort this and misrepresent
this as going too fast. There has not been much change
in our manifesto of 1999 and 2006 because this country
simply has not progressed. We have fallen behind by
standing still while others have moved ahead of us.
So there is a lot of work to do. You have got to work
hard and work fast to catch up. You can't just assume
a laidback posture and hope to do things. I think that
what we have in our manifesto is what we will be attempting
to quite honestly and quite seriously and with a commitment
to accomplish.
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